[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:04:57] <rdieter>	#startmeeting - KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-23
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:05:24] <rdieter>	who's present today?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:05:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:05:49] 	 * SMParrish_ here
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:05:54] <than>	Kevin_Kofler, gratulaion!
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:06:13] 	 * jreznik is here
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:06:24] 	 * ltinkl present
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:06:24] 	 * than is here
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:06:44] <rdieter>	than: here afterall ?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:06:56] <ltinkl>	no, that is not than
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:06:58] <ltinkl>	^^
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:07:01] <than>	i'm just half here
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:07:33] <rdieter>	First, off, congratulations to Kevin_Kofler  for being elected to FESCo
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:07:45] <SMParrish_>	aye, congrats
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:07:47] <jreznik>	congrat!
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:07:53] <ltinkl>	gratz from me as well Kevin
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:08:04] <rdieter>	#info Kevin_Kofler elected to FESCo, any issues to bring up in the FESCo meeting?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:08:25] <rdieter>	I'll skip forward to the related item in the agenda.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:09:00] <rdieter>	#topic Kevin_Kofler elected to FESCo, any issues to bring up in the FESCo meeting?
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:09:01] <rdieter>	there.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:09:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	FYI, the FESCo meeting is on Friday, so you have 3 days to think of stuff. :-)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:10:14] <jreznik>	I'd like to prepare another feature page for F12 and KDE 4.3, but there's lot of time before it reach FESCo meeting
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:10:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	Don't worry, there will be more meetings. :-)
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:10:35] <jreznik>	:)
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:11:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	In any case, from the election results, it like quite some people are fed up with the GNOME tyranny.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:11:53] <ltinkl>	are the exact results out already?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:12:13] <rdieter>	now now, please focus on bringing people together, working together, collaboration.  that kind of talk is a wee bit divisive
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:12:15] <bpepple>	Kevin_Kofler: not to jump in, but I think you've got your head up you ass with that statement.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:12:23] <abadger1999>	Yes, check fedora-announce
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:12:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	Full results: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00015.html
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:13:58] <rdieter>	bpepple: that's another way to put it.  point taken.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:14:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	I got 48% of the achievable score, or the equivalent of 148.09 people voting full points (which also means at least 149 people gave me a non-zero score).
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:14:37] <bpepple>	rdieter: sorry to butt in, but I hate that see kind of KDe/GNOME sentiment.  gets my blood boiling. ;)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:14:46] <bpepple>	anyway, back to work,
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:14:46] <rdieter>	bpepple: +1!
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:15:25] <jreznik>	it's chance for us to be more involved in fedora development
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:15:25] <rdieter>	next topic...
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:15:51] <rdieter>	#topic RPM Macros for packaging, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/PackagingCleanup#Macros
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:16:22] <rdieter>	initially, seems a bit over the top, macro'izing everything and the kitchen sink, but I think there's value to be had in there somewhere. :)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:16:41] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think we should have macros for the common directories.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:17:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	Especially because they might in principle change (though it's unlikely they will, due to backwards compatibility concerns).
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:17:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	The list at the link comes from MathStuf.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:17:43] <rdieter>	I'm torn, yeah.  Now that things have stabilized, part of me wants to go the other direction, and try to minimize kde-specific macros.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:18:18] <rdieter>	anyway, how about we through this at the ml's, for further discussion, and see where it goes.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:18:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	For the KDE 3 mimelnk dir: "KDE3; why do KDE4 apps still use this" - I guess for those remaining kdelibs3 apps.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:18:58] <rdieter>	Yes, that's kde3 only
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:19:02] <ltinkl>	having those macros in place is handy, alto it means a lot of work for us to clean up the .spec files
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:19:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	But I don't think we have kdelibs3 file managers anymore now that Krusader is KDE 4.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:19:30] <rdieter>	ltinkl: that's a concern too.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:19:57] <ltinkl>	but I guess it's worth the effort in the end
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:21:15] <rdieter>	I'll ask MathStuf to take it to the lists then, agreed?
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:21:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	Yes.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:22:00] <jreznik>	ok
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:22:00] 	 * ltinkl brb
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:22:29] <rdieter>	#action MathStuf to take http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/PackagingCleanup#Macros to mailing lists for further discussion
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:23:00] <rdieter>	#topic critical path packages - does it affect us? should it? how?
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:23:12] <rdieter>	fyi, http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/critical-path-packages/
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:23:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	I've put this up after noticing KDE packages are notoriously absent from his list.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:23:45] <rdieter>	being at the FAD that came up with that idea, I'm naturally ok with it.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:23:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	So I wonder what our position on this should be.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:24:10] <rdieter>	the point is, these are pkg's that have higher scrutiny release, qa, testing -wise.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:24:12] <jreznik>	it should be great for lot of low level packages to avoid totally breakage like dbus issue
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:24:40] <rdieter>	So, from a selfish point of view, not being on that list means less work. :)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:24:41] <Kevin_Kofler>	While I don't think we need more bureucracy hindering our updates, as history has shown it not to be needed, having GNOME on the list and KDE not means we're once against second-class citizens.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:24:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	So I have mixed feelings about this.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:25:04] <ltinkl>	well, Gnome packages shouldn't be part of that list imo
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:25:05] <SMParrish_>	but I dont think we want kde on the list
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:25:37] <jreznik>	we have lot of eyes on updates-testing
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:25:38] <rdieter>	well, one of the "use case" items as part of the critical path was "login", "do updates"
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:25:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	The rationale for including a GUI is that if the GUI is broken, end users are really stuck.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:26:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's not just that they don't necessarily know how to use the terminal, it's that they don't even know how to get to runlevel 3.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:26:38] <jreznik>	but we really want KDE SIG member in that group... so he can stop updates which are wounding us
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:26:54] <SMParrish_>	jreznik:  +1
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:27:22] <rdieter>	currenty, the signoff group includes releng and qa.  I'm in releng, if that makes anyone feel better.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:27:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think some work is really needed on GRUB usability. Our proprietary competition has ways to get to a command prompt or a "repair console" depending on the version, Fedora could easily offer that (it's what runlevel 3 is for).
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:28:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	But that's outside of our (KDE SIG's) scope.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:29:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	A related topic is that we could really use a QA (as in testing - triaging is already covered by SMParrish_) volunteer.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:29:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Right now, testing is done either by developers or by users who just step in to test something once.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:29:58] <Kevin_Kofler>	We don't have dedicated testers.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:31:16] <rdieter>	good idea.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:32:19] <rdieter>	#help volunteers to help qa kde-related items
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:32:51] <jreznik>	but first we need to set what we want to test
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:33:06] <jreznik>	list of MUST be checked etc...
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:34:17] <rdieter>	any volunteers to start on such a checklist of qa items?  It can be a work-in-progress of course.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:35:10] <jreznik>	test plan would be nice for feature page test plan either
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:35:41] <Kevin_Kofler>	Can we really come up with a systematic plan to test the entire KDE desktop?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:35:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	I don't think it's possible.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:36:02] <ltinkl>	that's a huge and long term task indeed
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:36:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	Basic QA is just "try to use the desktop and report any breakage you notice".
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:36:04] <rdieter>	It doesn't have to be exhaustive initially (or ever)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:36:31] <rdieter>	but at least targetting some common use-cases would be a good start
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:36:50] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: but there should be something like test this, this and this as these are crucial parts of desktop
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:36:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	And usually there'll be something specific to test for the update (e.g. "does WPA in kde-plasma-nm work?" for a kde-plasma-nm update, "do Python plasmoids work without python-devel installed?" for my recent kdebindings fix etc.).
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:38:09] <rdieter>	right, stuff fixed by updates, can include tests/checks for regressions
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:38:53] <rdieter>	it'll be a (long) journey, with no real final destination.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:39:15] <rdieter>	alright, I'll bite this one, and come up with some initial ideas.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:39:36] <rdieter>	#topic sharing brand with upstream
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:39:42] <rdieter>	jreznik: any news/progress?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:40:28] <jreznik>	rdieter: I talked to pinheiro
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:40:53] <jreznik>	and sent some mails to fedora-kde/design list
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:41:04] <jreznik>	mostly it's about sharing
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:41:08] <jreznik>	not replacing fedora brand
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:41:18] <jreznik>	but I'm skeptic about schedules... :(
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:41:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	So far, the only feedback we got from the Fedora Design Team was from Máirín Duffy and it was negative.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:41:49] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: and from Nicu and it was mostly negative
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:42:04] <jreznik>	I asked pinheiro to contact them directly
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:42:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	I haven't seen that one, I guess he only sent it to the design list, not the KDE one.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:42:19] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: it's possible, check design list
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:42:24] <rdieter>	I think the negatively is mostly in the form of not knowing exactly what the process will be yet
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:42:38] <jreznik>	indeed
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:43:07] <rdieter>	it'll be a learning process for everyone involved, but I (still) strongly believe it will be a worthwhile one
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:43:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	Máirín's objections are basically 2: 1. they're worried about schedule pressure and 2. she doesn't like the idea of KDE-specific themes.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:43:17] <jreznik>	everyone switch to defence mode when you want more work from him :D
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:43:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	The schedule issue is an open point of contention and it seems communication is also lacking.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:43:52] <rdieter>	2.  is that really an issue?    The artwork team hasn't really helped make any kde themes to date, why is this any different?  am I missing something?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:43:56] <jreznik>	with new proposed schedules by martin sourada it seems more possible
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:44:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	It seems the Design Team's position is that the schedules are fine, only F11 was particularly late, but the lateness in F7 to F10 was normal.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:44:50] <Kevin_Kofler>	On the other hand, we basically agreed in past meetings that we need their output much earlier.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:44:50] <rdieter>	interesting.  really?  normal?  ouchie.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:45:23] <jreznik>	we're are mostly on our own so any help from upstream is great for us I think
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:45:35] <rdieter>	well, ok, once we have a Release name, and some initial theming ideas, I assume this process can start to move forward.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:45:39] <jreznik>	I'd like to try it even it means more work
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:45:46] <rdieter>	jreznik: +1
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:46:17] <jreznik>	opensuse and kubuntu are joining too
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:46:29] <rdieter>	#action jreznik to continue as liason between fedora-art team and upsream kde art folks in "sharing branding"
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:46:58] <rdieter>	#topic Fedora 12 KDE 4.3 feature page
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:47:23] <jreznik>	ok, again for me - than asked me to prepare feature page
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:47:27] <rdieter>	totally +1 for this, helps the marketing/qa machine, if nothing else.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:47:38] <ltinkl>	I guess jreznik with my help will create this page
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:47:45] <rdieter>	thanks guys
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:47:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: About the artwork stuff: Sure that offloading work to upstream could in principle mean less work for us, but I'm not convinced that it will really mean that.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:48:00] <jreznik>	what we want to market as great feature for 4.3/12?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:48:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think it just means we'll have some stale KDE 4.3 look elements in our 4.4 and 4.5 updates. :-(
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:48:13] <ltinkl>	2 items worth mentioning: polkit-1 and Solid/DeviceKit
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:49:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	About the 4.3 feature page: my main issue with those feature pages is that we advertise something as a "new feature" in F12 when it'll have been out as an F11 update for months already.
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:49:45] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: true in part, but it's still good for marketting, esp for the "new" items ltinkl mentioned
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:49:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	ltinkl: The thing is, mentioning items with nobody working on implementing them is not of much use.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:49:58] <ltinkl>	ha :)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:50:00] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: *we* are (well, ltinkl  and jreznik )
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:50:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	Is anybody working on DeviceKit support in Solid yet?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:50:26] <ltinkl>	I already have a working Solid-DeviceKit
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:50:41] <ltinkl>	http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/solid-devicekit/
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:50:56] <ltinkl>	and jreznik committed the polkit-1-qt port
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:50:57] <jreznik>	I'm not sure it's time to mention polkit-qt-1... it's really first tryout
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:51:13] <jreznik>	http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/polkit-qt-1/
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:51:37] <ltinkl>	so we should really advertise something we have worked hard on :)
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:52:38] <rdieter>	I assume this work will be targetted for kde-4.4 ? (other?)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:52:47] <ltinkl>	yup, that's the plan
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:52:57] <rdieter>	upstream kde-4.4 that is, we'll want to include/use it asap of course
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	But we can backport it, we'll basically have to backport the PolicyKit stuff.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:18] <ltinkl>	once KDE 4.3 has been released, the trunk opens for 4.4 development and we merge our work branches back
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:34] <rdieter>	coolness. anything else feature-page related?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:34] <ltinkl>	yup and we, as in Fedora-KDE, can backport it
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:35] <jreznik>	I hope it's stuff for 4.4
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	How well does Solid-DeviceKit work? And what kind of devices does it support?
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:53:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	Long term, only the daemons for disks and power management are here to stay.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:54:01] <ltinkl>	Kevin_Kofler: works pretty fine, but supports only Disks and PowerManagement so far
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:54:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	We're supposed to use libudev for tasks like device enumeration.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:54:32] <ltinkl>	Kevin_Kofler: not really, details after the meeting, long story :)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:54:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	The main (not -disks nor -power) DeviceKit daemon is deprecated (at least according to blog posts I found).
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:55:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	So if we design for that one, we'll be stuck again. :-(
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:55:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	But we can discuss this in #fedora-kde.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:55:47] <ltinkl>	yup
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:55:57] <rdieter>	I think that's it for the agenda (unless I missed something).
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:56:04] <rdieter>	#topic open discussion
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:56:18] <jreznik>	gcds?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:56:29] <jreznik>	anyone going to gran canaria?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:56:52] <ltinkl>	http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:56:54] <rdieter>	sadly, not I this time.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:57:26] <SMParrish_>	rdieter: still doing FUDCon Berlin?
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:57:32] <jreznik>	something what can I do for us there?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:57:34] <rdieter>	secondary issue, for any ev'er who *is* going, interesting is proxy'ing for me?
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:57:37] <ltinkl>	jreznik is going, so direct any questions/queries towards KDE developers to him :)
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [18:57:42] <rdieter>	SMParrish_: no
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:03] <rdieter>	#topic gran caria summit
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:04] Topic	fedbot sets the channel topic to "gran caria summit (Meeting topic: - KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-23)".
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:09] <rdieter>	#link http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:29] <rdieter>	looks like time is out for today, thanks all
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:44] <rdieter>	#endmeeting
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:45] <fedbot>	Meeting ended Tue Jun 23 17:00:41 2009 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot .
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:45] <fedbot>	Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-23-16.04.html
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:00:45] <fedbot>	Log:     http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-23-16.04.log.html
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[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:01:44] <rdieter>	the bot did an ok job, neat.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:01:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, there's less content than would be in a manual summary.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:02:28] <rdieter>	when we all get more used to the bot commands, it'll be a little better too
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:02:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	Having to explicitly put things to protocol while discussion is underway is not ideal.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:02:44] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I have to leave now but I can extend it manually... but tomorrow
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:02:48] <rdieter>	so for now, I guess it can at least suppliment what we already do
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:02:50] <jreznik>	could you please upload it
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:03:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: The bot already uploaded it, see the links it posted.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:03:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	I still think it's much better to discuss first and summarize afterwards.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:03:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	Another issue is that typos end up right there and can't be fixed in the autogenerated stuff, unlike something on the wiki.
[Tue Jun 23 2009] [19:04:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	For example, the summit is called "gran caria" instead of "Gran Canaria". A huge dental bacterium? ^^
